Modernizacija kuvajtskih M-84

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Modernizacija kuvajtskih M-84

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Američki marinski ekspedicijski korpus vjezbao je prije par godina s njihovim Abramsima na poligonu u Slunju s našim M-84 i propisno se ispromasivao u odnosu na naše tenkove. Njihov general na to je kazao da su hrvatski tenkisti među najboljima na Mediteranu a sa gotovo svim zemljama su vjezbali.
A sad bi Ameri uvalili Kuvajćanima svoje.



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Извините што скрећем с' теме, али ме интересује да ли Абрамс систем за има аутоматско пуњење, мени се нешто чини да нема, мада нисам сигуран...



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Ne, od 'zapadnih' tenkova to jedini imaju Leclerc, Type 90 i K2.

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MBT HKoV M-84 D kakav ce se ponuditi kuvajcanima za modernizaciju njihovih M - 84 AB.

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Stvarno dobro izgleda, svaka cast. Ima li nekih detalja koj se ticu reaktivnog oklopa? Ima li jos neka sexy slika? Smile

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Meni izgleda isto kao i Degman ili postoji razlika....??

Dopuna: 17 Apr 2007 23:29

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Mislio sam na neke slicne slike ovoj gore.. Cini mi se da Degman na slikama ima varenu kupolu.

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Pa oznaka "D" znaci da je to Degman standard. Da ga Hrvatska nije razvijala sada nebi imala sto novoga ponuditi Kuvajcanima.Ovisno o želji Kuvajcana moze se mijenjati kompletna kupola (Degmanova) ili zadrzati postojeca, ugraditi nova automatska transmisija, ugraditi elektricno pokretanje kupole i topa, ugraditi top od 120 mm, potpuno ugraditi novo razvijene digitalne poloče vozaca, sustave nadzora pogona u mirnodopskom (upozorenje i automatski iskljucuje motor) i ratnom rezimu (samo upozorenje da je motor previse u "crvenom" ) novi sustav gasenja pozara, ABKO,automatsko izbacivanje dimnih zavjesa, digitalne mape bojisnice, novi sustav upravljanja vatrom, nova protuminska sjedala i protuminsku zastitu poda tijela tenka, komunikacijski sustav kompatibilan nadzoru bojisnice (KOPNO u HKov) i nezaobilatni CD za slusanje glazbe uz sredisnji procesor koji nadzire rad svih mogucih sustava tenka.
Reaktivni oklop- primjena izraelske tehnologije.
Slika naravno ima, ali pomalo. Nema zurbe. Nismo za jedan dan Wink

kNikS ::Stvarno dobro izgleda, svaka cast. Ima li jos neka sexy slika? Smile
To je i vaš, tada ministar obrane Tadić, rekao kad ga je vidio.



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"Kuwait has for several years now had offers to upgrade its M-84 tanks under consideration, but has not, however, given positive answers to any of the offers, not even to the most serious ones coming from Poland and Serbia back in 2005. It has also not answered positively the US proposal to sell its M-84's and replace them with more of the Abrams tanks already present in Kuwaiti armoured vehicle units. There are several reasons why Kuwait has shown great interest for Croatia. For Kuwait it was exceptionally important that the Djuro Djakovic Company maintained continuity and the development of its tank program with the M-84 over the past years, that tanks manufactured at Djuro Djakovic are used in Croatian Army units, that Croatia has continued to finance the program and that the Croatian Army will also use the new upgraded tank designated M-84D, for which it wants to close a deal with Kuwait on.

Besides that, the upgraded Croatian tank will have the same caterpillar treads made by German manufacturer Diehl that the Kuwaiti M-84 tanks already use, and which were installed just under two years ago, which demonstrates that Croatian product compatibility has been maintained with that of Kuwait.

Kuwait is very happy with the M-84 tanks manufactured back in the time of the former Yugoslavia because of their mobility in desert conditions, few breakdowns and much easier maintenance that is the case with the heavy American Abrams tanks, whose motors fail much more often in the desert. This happens because of a poorly designed air filtering system, allowing desert sand to enter the motor turbine, which is then starved of air, causing the motor to overheat and forcing a stop. When the turbine is ruined a new one takes up to a month to be delivered from the USA. The Abrams has poor mobility because of its weight and is an easier target, having a 2.5 square metres larger surface area than the M-84, which is in the large open spaces of the desert terrain, where there are no shelters, a significant problem. The M-84 is also ten tons lighter than the Abrams and can as such pass over all of the bridges trucks can use, which the Abrams cannot.

Besides that, the Abrams price tag is about US$ 5 million, which is double the price of a new M-84D. Kuwait has concluded that base production and a tank program of the upgraded M-84 been preserved only in Croatia, unlike in Serbia where a lack of financing and state support has seen only a single tank prototype designated M-84AB1 in three years, and the prototype has been in fact created in a factory that manufactures construction mechanisation, and not a tank program. The Serbian prototype is in fact the Russian T-90 tanks, as all of the components installed on the M-84 originate in Russia and Belarus. Kuwait is a country with probably the widest spectre of weaponry and military equipment when it comes to country of origin, all of which was done for political reasons, meaning good relations with the leading global powers.

In its armed forces it already has the Russian armoured vehicle BMP-3, the Chinese 155 mm howitzer, the British Warrior tank and the American Abrams. Entrusting the job to the Serbian manufacturer of the M-84AB1 tank with 80% of its parts of Russian origin would in fact mean paying for the upgrade and purchase of new Russian tanks, and that would upset the balance as far as origin of weaponry is concerned.

As we have learned from the defence ministry, the Slavonski Brod-based company is not considering collaborating on this project with Serbian companies as it already has a wide network of partners with whom it can completely round off the M-84D tank program. Unlike the M-84 tanks currently in Kuwaiti armoured units, the upgraded tank will have a thermovisual camera through which it will be able to detect all targets emitting heat at a distance of up to several kilometres from the tank, regardless of fog, night or if they are hidden in the shadow if some other object."

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@pp5d6...

Imas li informacije ko radi komponente za hrvatski M-84D. Gore ranije u temi kad smo govorili o ex.Yu programu proizvodnje M-84 nabrojali smo fabrike koje su proizvodile komponente koje su se kasnije transportovale i sklapale u Đ.Đ.Tako smo spominjali željezare Ravni iz Slovenije, BNT (BiH) koji je radio top, Zrak Sarajevo-optika i td...da ne nabrajam onaj već postovani spisak.
Ko (firma) je u Hrvatskoj preuzeo i šta od proizvodnje ovih komponenti koje se u bivšoj državi nisu proizvodile u Hrvatskoj, a šta od proizvodnje još nije usvojeno u Hrvatskoj, odnosno uvozi se i od koga?
Konkretno najviše me interesuje top ali i ostalo.
Ako imaš kakve informacije molio bih te za odgovor.Hvala.

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Ovako, glede proizvodnje dijelova za tenk M-84D odnosno Degman u Hrvatskoj situacija po mojim saznanjima slijedeća. Za tenk treba izraditi nesto vise od 20 000 dijelova i potrebno je 10 000 radnih sati.
Već sam napisao da Hrvatska trenutno proizvodi preko 50 % dijelova za M-84 i preko 80 % za Degmana.
Strani analitičari procjenjuju da Hrvatska sama proizvodi preko 50% dijelova (oko 10 000) plus montaza, ugradnja, testiranja i finalizacija gotovog proizvoda.
Suradnja je najdugotrajnija sa slovenskom Fotonom koja je za zadnje verzije hrvatskih tenkova u suradnji s tvornicom ĐĐ i zahtijevima HKov izradila SUV Omega 2. To je inace svjetski priznata tvrtka i suradnja se prakticki nastavila na onu iz SFRJ.
Topovi po mojim informacijama i dalje dolaze i Bratstva u Novom Travniku, iakao je krajem 90-tih Hrvatska odnosno tvrtka Arma -Koncar kupila najmodernije postrojenje za proizovdnju topničkih cijevi i izgradila vrlo suveremenu tvornicu u Sesvetskom Kraljevcu spremajuci se za novu proizvodnju hrvatskih haubica u kal. 155 mm. Navodno je trebala proizvoditi i cijevi za tenkovski program. Sad da ne objasnjavam zbog cega ta oprema instalirana nije pocela s radom, navodno su Izraelci grizli kupiti svu opremu da je se ne docepaju Arapi koji su pokazali veliki interes.Posebnost ove opreme je u tome sto kod nabave nije bitan novac koliko odobrenje drugih zapadnih drzava za isporukom takve opreme.
I treci strani dobavljac je izraelski Rafael s njihovim ERA oklopom. S tom firmom intenzivno se suradjuje jos od sredine 90-tih i na nekim drugim programina.
U tenkovski program je bilo ukljuceno za vrijeme rata puno malih tvrki koji su proizvodili neke dijelove. Tako npr.gusjenice proizvodi privatna firma iz Dubrave-Zagreb, baterije Munja, komunikacijsku opremu Ericcson- Nikola Tesla, a tu su i Končar, Institut Ruđel Bošković, Šestan-Bush , Adria dizel, ali najvise dijelova proizvodi holding ĐĐ (kotace,nosače kotača tijelo, kupolu, motor, podsustave za nadzor pogona, ABKO zastitu, protupozarnu zastitu, nadzorne panele itd.)
Kako je Degman tenk otvorene arhitekture po želji kupca i dubini džepa ugraditi će se dodatna oprema koju poželi.



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