Priblizite se sebi, i prirodi

Priblizite se sebi, i prirodi

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Postanite Vegan, ja sam Vegan, otkrijte sta je to biti zaista deo prirode, biti human prema svim oblicima zivih bica, postovati prirodu jer smo deo nje, postovati sebe jer smo deo prirode.
Nisam vise bolestan, prirodno stanje ljudskog bica je biti zdrav i pun energije, ne zahteva nista revolucionarno...zahteva samo postovanje prirode i svih zivih bica, od kojih i mi poticemo...
Ne jedem meso, ne pijem mleko niti mlecne proizvode, ja sam deo prirode koliko je i priroda deo mene...jing i jang spojeni zajedno cine savrsenu celinu naseg postojanja u skladu sa svim prirodnim zakonima.
probudite se iz naucenog sna.. zivota u kojem prozdirete sve zivo oko sebe...otkuda ljudima pravo da sebe nazovu gospodarima planete zemlje i njenih moci...
Vratite se sebi..svom unutrasnjem humanom i prirodnom bicu...humanom....tolerantnom....bez ega...dosegnite nirvanu.....
The term nirvana is associated with both Hinduism, the oldest religion in the world, and Buddhism, its best known off-shoot. In both Hinduism and Buddhism, the word refers to a higher state of being, but the two religions view this state very differently. As it turns out, examining the distinction between the concepts of nirvana is an excellent way of understanding some of the major differences between the two religions.

Nirvana is mainly associated with Buddhism, which was born out of Hinduism back in the 5th century B.C. It began as a movement within Hinduism, based on the philosophy and life of a man named Siddhartha Gautama, and eventually diverged to form its own path.

Siddhartha Gautama, who later became the Buddha ("the awakened one"), was born to a rich, ruling family around 563 B.C. in what is now modern Nepal. According to Buddhist legend, he led a sheltered, pampered life for all of his childhood and well into his twenties.

As a young man, he began to question the spiritual worth of this luxurious life and decided to give up all his possessions and emotional attachments, including his wife and young son. He wanted to understand the true nature of life and saw all his attachments as distractions, in keeping with Hindu thought.

He became a shramana, a wandering, homeless ascetic dedicated to meditation. He hoped to find enlightenment by completely detaching himself from the world, swinging to the polar opposite of his earlier life. Over time, he removed himself farther and farther from the earthly world, to the point that he was close to starvation. But he still hadn't achieved enlightenment.
He decided that if he continued on that path, he would die without reaching any understanding, so he gave up the ascetic life and accepted a meal from a stranger. He decided to take the middle road, the life between the luxury he had known and the poverty he had known.

According to legend, soon after Siddhartha took this path, he finally achieved enlightenment. As he meditated under a tree, he saw all of his past lives, and then the past lives of others. Eventually he gained a perfect, omniscient knowledge of this world and the world beyond it.
In Buddhism, this state, which the Buddha couldn't relate in language, is called nirvana. The word is Sanskrit for "to extinguish." In this case, it means to extinguish ignorance, hatred and earthly suffering. The term is most closely associated with Buddhism, though it's applied to a similar concept in Hinduism (as we'll see later on).

By achieving nirvana, you can escape samsara, the cycle of reincarnation that characterizes both Hinduism and Buddhism. In each life, a soul is punished or rewarded based on its past actions, or karma, from the current life as well as earlier lives (which also include lives as animals). It's important to note that the law of karma isn't due to a god's judgment over a person's behavior; it's closer to Newtons law of motion -- every action has an equal and opposite reaction. It happens automatically, of its own accord.

When you achieve nirvana, you stop accumulating bad karma because you've transcended it. You spend the rest of your life and sometimes future lives "working off" the bad karma you've already accumulated.

Once you have fully escaped the karmic cycle, you achieve parinirvana -- final nirvana -- in the afterlife. As with Hindu nirvana, souls that have achieved parinirvana are free of the cycle of reincarnation. The Buddha never specified what parinirvana was like. In Buddhist thought, it is beyond normal human comprehension.

In the next section, we'll find out what the Buddha prescribed for achieving nirvana on earth and parinirvana in the afterlife.
The Buddha couldn't fully relate his new understanding of the universe, but he could spread the essential message of his enlightenment and guide people toward achieving the same understanding. He traveled from place to place teaching the four noble truths:
1. Life is suffering.
2. This suffering is caused by ignorance of the true nature of the universe.
3. You can only end this suffering by overcoming ignorance and attachment to earthly things.
4. You can overcome ignorance and attachment by following the Noble Eightfold Path.

The Noble Eightfold Path is a list of eight ideals that guide a person toward greater understanding of the universe. The eight ideals are:

* Right views
* Right intention
* Right speech
* Right action
* Right livelihood
* Right effort
* Rightmindedness
* Right contemplation

On the surface, the eight ideals are incredibly vague -- they're open to almost any interpretation. Buddhist sects do view them differently, but generally speaking, Buddhists follow the path by approaching the world with compassion, patience and joy, and contemplating the universe through meditation. The fundamental goals are to cultivate morality (shila), meditation (dhyana) and wisdom (prajna).
Buddhists who achieve nirvana on their own become buddhas, awakened ones (this is different from "the Buddha," the specific buddha who was incarnated as Siddhartha). Like the Buddha, other buddhas gain omniscience when they are enlightened. Buddhists who achieve nirvana with the help of a buddha guide become arhats, people who are enlightened but not omniscient.

While nirvana is possible for any person, in most Buddhist sects only monks attempt to achieve it. Lay Buddhists -- Buddhists outside the monastic community -- strive instead for a higher existence in their next life. They follow the Noble Eightfold Path and help others, trying to accumulate good Karma. In this sense, they're working toward nirvana because they're setting up a future life in which they might achieve nirvana.
In Hindu tradition, nirvana (more commonly called moksha) is the reuniting with Brahman, the universal God or universal soul. In traditional Hinduism, a soul reaches this state after living many lives in which it climbs up through the varna, or caste system.
Humans accumulate good karma by performing the duties of the caste they were born in. If a person is born in a lower caste, his only hope is to behave properly in that caste so he will move up to a higher caste in the next life.

When a soul has reached the upper castes, it may escape the cycle of reincarnation by eliminating bad karma. This includes setting the scales right through good deeds (possibly over several lifetimes) and also removing oneself from all earthly distractions. When a soul finally escapes the karmic cycle, it becomes one with Brahman when the last bodily incarnation dies. This is a higher plane of existence that transcends the suffering of earthly life. Essentially, the soul rejoins the intangible energy that created the universe.

Buddhism arose out of Siddhartha's alternate understanding of samsara and transcendence of earthly life. In the Buddhist philosophy, the best path to enlightenment is somewhere in between the luxury of many in the upper castes and the poverty of the most devout Hindu holy men.

Siddhartha was also a social reformer of sorts. He taught that anybody might achieve higher enlightenment and escape from samsara if he followed the right path, completely rejecting the caste structure that defined traditional Hinduism. This is arguably the most important difference between the two religions, at least when Buddhism was born.

The worlds of Hinduism and Buddhism, and the concept of nirvana, are rich and multi-faceted. As in most religions, you can summarize the fundamental ideas quickly, but you could easily spend your whole life studying the details.

A Philosophy of vegan values

The term philosophy is often used to mean a set of basic values and attitudes toward life, nature and society. In this sense, Veganism is a "Philosophy of Life," guided by what I envision as an essential core of values and principles:
• Vegans see life as a phenomenon to be treasured, revered and respected. We do not see animals as either "The Enemy" to be subdued, or the Materials for Food, Fabric or Fun that were put on Earth for human use.
• Vegans see themselves as a part of the natural world, rather than its owners or its masters.
• Veganism recognizes no expendable or superfluous species that humans are free to hurt or destroy. Species of life-forms need not justify their existence, nor plead for protection from extinction on the grounds of their potential usefulness as food or medicine for humans. We continue to be burdened and misguided by adages such as "A weed is a plant we have not yet found a use for."
• Veganism acknowledges the intrinsic legitimacy of all life. It rejects any hierarchy of acceptable suffering among sentient creatures. It is no more acceptable to torment or kill creatures with "primitive nervous systems" than those with "highly developed nervous systems." The value of life to its possessor is the same, whether it be the life of a clam, a crayfish, a carp, a cow, a chicken, or a child.
• Veganism understands that gentleness cannot be a product of violence, harmony cannot be a product of strife, and peace cannot be a product of contention and conflict.
• Vegan ideals encompass much more than advocacy of a diet free of animal products, or a fervent defense of animal rights. Veganism excludes no sentient being–animal or human– from its commitment to compassionate, gentle benevolence. To show tender regard for the suffering of animals, yet treat humans with callous contempt, is a disheartening contradiction of Vegan principles.
• John Muir, talking about the natural environment, once observed "Every time I bend down to pick something up, I find it is connected to something else." There is an equivalent "ecology" to our behavior. Everything we do connects to something else; every action touches on the world around us, either close at hand and noticeable, or far away and unperceived, immediate in its effect or distant in time.
• If Veganism has a prime value, it is simply that life-respecting compassion overrides individual issues of custom, convenience, comfort or cuisine.
• If there is a single article of faith, it is that commitment to Vegan values will bring us closer to a world in which the fate and fortune of a planet and all its life forms do not hang on the judgment or the generosity of one species.
• If there is one single concept that both generates and sustains the meaning and the power of the Vegan world-view, it is found in the word mindfulness. As Vegans, we strive to be thoughtful, aware and concerned about the impact of our choices, our actions and our decisions. The fruit of this awareness is inner peace, the quiet strength of ethical confidence, and an uplifting sense of fulfillment.

Budite ono sto jeste... ljudska bica sa razumevanjem i saosecanjem.. a ne bezumna bica.. koja prozdiru sve sto ima je na putu...cenite vaseg stvaraoca.. prirodu...i zivecete kako i treba...puni dusevnog mira...zdravi... i srecni...

Sta cemo sa biljkama, zar biljke nisu ziva bica?

OK, postujem ja to sto si ti vegan, ali odvratno mi je videti da me neko naziva bezumnim bicem koji prozdire sve sto mi je na putu samo zato sto ja nisam vegan, vegeterijanac... ma sta god. Ne zelim ulaziti u rasprave zasto je vazno unositi i biljnu i zivotinjsku hranu u organizam niti zasto nije zdravo samo se hraniti jednom vrstom hrane.

Poznajem 2 vrste vegeterijanaca, one koji su vegeterijanci i zbog toga su iz svog nekog ubedjenja i ne smaraju svoju okolinu sa tim kako je ispravno biti vegeterijanac. I one koji su vegerijanci, koje sve okolo guse sa vegeterijanstvom, kako je to jedini pravilni i najzdraviji nacin ishrane, kako svi mi ostali zivimo u neznanju itd.

Ovo mi izgleda kao jedan od onih sektaskih pamfleta u kojima se propagira kako su oni izabrani i kako je njihova vera istinska i kako su oni jedini put spasenja duse.

NHF, ali zivi i pusti ljude da zive. Wink

Ti si vegetarijanac, ok cenim i postujem tvoj stav. Ja sam bezumni Carnivora, a posto mnogo volim biljke uopste ih ne koristim u ishrani, nekako mi ih je zao, pa one nam omogucavaju zivot jeli, da nije njih ni kiseonika ne bi bilo Zagrljaj

Pa sad ja razumem uzroke tvog "mirnog i stalozenog" ponasanja!
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Leggy ::@UnixPower
Pa sad ja razumem uzroke tvog "mirnog i stalozenog" ponasanja!
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UnixPower ::Postanite Vegan, ja sam Vegan, otkrijte sta je to biti zaista deo prirode, biti human prema svim oblicima zivih bica, ......
Nisam vise bolestan, prirodno stanje ljudskog bica je biti zdrav i pun energije,.......jing i jang spojeni zajedno cine savrsenu celinu naseg postojanja u skladu sa svim prirodnim zakonima.
probudite se iz naucenog sna.. zivota u kojem prozdirete sve zivo oko sebe...otkuda ljudima pravo da sebe nazovu gospodarima planete zemlje i njenih moci...
Vratite se sebi..svom unutrasnjem humanom i prirodnom bicu...humanom....tolerantnom....bez ega...dosegnite nirvanu.....

QQ.. Mr. Green

@Leggy - nisam rekao da sam dosegao nirvanu, izlozio sam ono u sta verujem Razz

Sta ja znam kad pogledam ceo svet neko uvek jede nekoga. Bez vukova nema harmonije. Ono slatko lano iz Diznijevih crtaca kad poraste, ako nema vuka, ima sve da popase. I travu i drvece, da zatre sve mladice. to se inace desilo u Jelostoun parku.
Puter traje do godinu dana. Ima brdo emulgatora. Sir je zakon a nisu ubili kravu da bi ga dobili.
Postoje medicinske knjige koje govore sta od ishrane kojoj krvnoj grupi odgovara. One ne izbacuju meso, mleko... Treba jesti voce i povrce, povremeno postiti i to je to...
E sad kad je rec o postovanju prirode. tu se nacelno slazem. Ali ajd da nems patike pa zveknucu nekog zeca uzeti krzno. Sigurno necu ici bos po zimi.
Ego treba razviti da bi se mogao odbaciti. Ako imas veciti osecaj neuspeha ili neostvarenosti nikad neces sa lakocom prevazici ego. E sad ko zeli milione i to smatra uspehom - zelim mu puno srece....

Ja jesam vegeterijanac,ali ne mislim da zbog mog izbora druge ljude treba ubedjivati u tako nesto....Ne jedem meso,ali ne mislim da je to jedini pravilan nacin ishrane itd.....vec zato sto jednostavno ne mogu da jedem nesto sto bi,da ga ja nisam pojela,hodalo....nikad nisam htela da budem vegan,jar ne vidim sta ce se kravi ili bilo kojoj drugoj zivotinji desiti ako joj uzmemo mleko....obozavam zivotinje i zbog toga necu da ih jedem,ali to ne znaci da je to najzravije...

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